Very cool. Been playing with Suno the past months and it is impressive. Though I find many of the creations are either a 2D version of Eurovision or some reflection on American pop, voices/accents are also limited. As someone that creates music I do find it cool as a playground but there is a fidelity of feeling that is lost in the output. Also what of all the artists who created music you listen too Andrew being replaced by AI generated music? What are the implications of this as a trend? Like with all technologies that become entangled in our lives we gain something and loose something too.
I'm 100% with you on the flatness of the creative output. I think it's interesting -- and in this case it's a great example of the human touch leading to a really good output as Jacob was deeply instrumental in every part of the process, down to selecting the final version.
In terms of what we stand to gain or loose, that's complex I think. As someone who deeply values the "soul" for want of a better word of human-created music -- what it conveys and communicates of the composer and how this is transmuted in the ears/mind of the listener -- I'm not a great fan of generic AI created music. On the other hand, as a creative tool it could be as transformative or more as the electric guitar, the Moog, the Fairlight, and much more -- all technologies that can enhance and extend the human at the center of the creative process.
... and then I remember all the soulless music that surrounds us already, and wonder if AI isn't improving on this ...
The fact Jacob was deeply involved in the process and in dialogue with the tools matters.
When we outsource cognition to a tool we loose and gain. I think we need to make more deliberative choices around this. And I agree these tools are extensions of us in many ways and when we consciously choose how to have an appropriately thoughtful relationship we maintain agency rather than deferring it. Whether than be in coding, music, visual art, writing or any another human endeavour. The humanity shines through. You can feel it in the music or in writing. Though discernment between what is machine generated vs human is getting increasingly more challenging as you know.
You make a good point about all the soulless cruft that we are exposed to already. Does the democratising of these types of tools increase the quantity of qualitatively better content? Sure we are seeing lots of statistically grey output and I would say that if more people realise and find the channels to creatively express themselves even with these tools the better. The challenge is helping people to develop the patterns of behaviours and use that enable the soul to come through. Hybrid intelligence, wisdom and creative expression. You may find the work of George Por interesting in this regard https://substack.com/home/post/p-155009867
Very cool. Been playing with Suno the past months and it is impressive. Though I find many of the creations are either a 2D version of Eurovision or some reflection on American pop, voices/accents are also limited. As someone that creates music I do find it cool as a playground but there is a fidelity of feeling that is lost in the output. Also what of all the artists who created music you listen too Andrew being replaced by AI generated music? What are the implications of this as a trend? Like with all technologies that become entangled in our lives we gain something and loose something too.
I'm 100% with you on the flatness of the creative output. I think it's interesting -- and in this case it's a great example of the human touch leading to a really good output as Jacob was deeply instrumental in every part of the process, down to selecting the final version.
In terms of what we stand to gain or loose, that's complex I think. As someone who deeply values the "soul" for want of a better word of human-created music -- what it conveys and communicates of the composer and how this is transmuted in the ears/mind of the listener -- I'm not a great fan of generic AI created music. On the other hand, as a creative tool it could be as transformative or more as the electric guitar, the Moog, the Fairlight, and much more -- all technologies that can enhance and extend the human at the center of the creative process.
... and then I remember all the soulless music that surrounds us already, and wonder if AI isn't improving on this ...
The fact Jacob was deeply involved in the process and in dialogue with the tools matters.
When we outsource cognition to a tool we loose and gain. I think we need to make more deliberative choices around this. And I agree these tools are extensions of us in many ways and when we consciously choose how to have an appropriately thoughtful relationship we maintain agency rather than deferring it. Whether than be in coding, music, visual art, writing or any another human endeavour. The humanity shines through. You can feel it in the music or in writing. Though discernment between what is machine generated vs human is getting increasingly more challenging as you know.
You make a good point about all the soulless cruft that we are exposed to already. Does the democratising of these types of tools increase the quantity of qualitatively better content? Sure we are seeing lots of statistically grey output and I would say that if more people realise and find the channels to creatively express themselves even with these tools the better. The challenge is helping people to develop the patterns of behaviours and use that enable the soul to come through. Hybrid intelligence, wisdom and creative expression. You may find the work of George Por interesting in this regard https://substack.com/home/post/p-155009867
Dang that’s catchy!
Impressive. With that beat, I may listen to it while on the elliptical.
Can AI turn my 'song' into 'our' X-static Un Disco Dance party, is my emergent question.